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	<title>Comments on: A Teasing $3.50 Chicken Pho at Pho Ha, Julie &amp; Julia Review &amp; Friday blabs</title>
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		<title>By: $3.50 Bowl of Chicken Pho! Pho Ha, Rosemead</title>
		<link>http://sinosoul.com/2009/07/a-teasing-350-chicken-pho-at-pho-ha-julie-julie-review-friday-blabs/comment-page-1/#comment-2505</link>
		<dc:creator>$3.50 Bowl of Chicken Pho! Pho Ha, Rosemead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a month ago, I wrote up this useless post about a bowl of pho ga which has been around since May. I chose to not divulge this info for &#8220;Under $10&#8243; due [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a month ago, I wrote up this useless post about a bowl of pho ga which has been around since May. I chose to not divulge this info for &#8220;Under $10&#8243; due [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you were the &quot;sole dissenting voice&quot; on the Airtalk segment. I think a lot of people were saying roughly the same thing - that people who read these sites should take what they read with a grain of salt, that there isn&#039;t, and shouldn&#039;t be, a uniform code of ethics for people writing web logs about food.

I posted a comment of my own in the comments section of the Airtalk site you linked to. My long, and maybe somewhat incoherent comment:

Chowhound, Urban Spoon, and Yelp aren&#039;t web logs at all, nor are the people who post there &quot;bloggers&quot;. They are discussion forums. And for the record, Chowhound is a moderated forum which has a pretty strict policy that prevents discussion of issues of food safety or other stuff that might expose them to unnecessary lawsuits.

While there is some market for sites that are sensationalist (or just outright idiotic), I think that long term, people will get their restaurant advice from sites that provide &quot;fair and balanced&quot; coverage (and not in the Fox News sense). Readers need to determine for themselves what sources they trust, and restaurants need to not freak out over every negative review.

Regarding comped meals, I think that disclosure is certainly a good idea. In actual practice, I think the vast majority of people writing web logs about food rarely or never get free meals.

I personally try to read sites that I feel follow reasonable standards and which don&#039;t post intentionally inflammatory or sensationalist material, but I don&#039;t question those sites&#039; right to post such material (though in several cases, I have *suggested* that a site might consider following better journalistic practices in cases where they&#039;re posting information about a restaurant without notifying the restaurant ahead of time).

If sites are making libelous statements, there are already legal guidelines which allow the victim to have their day in court. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s realistic (or even feasible) to somehow impose a set of journalistic standards on informal journalism / social media. And, for writers who do this as a hobby, it&#039;s unreasonable to hold them to the same standards as, say, the NYT. Of course, web logs attached to traditional media publications would be wise to adopt similar (though maybe slightly more relaxed) guidelines as the publications they&#039;re a part of.

The big difference between these new forms of media and traditional media is that the number of voices is so much greater. If one or two people don&#039;t like a restaurant, it&#039;s unlikely that people will stop going there. If the buzz is overwhelmingly negative, however, the restaurant may see some issues with their bottom line. This system isn&#039;t completely fair, but neither is the old system.

Some restaurants have adapted, and try to use new media to their advantage rather than fight it; this strategy has already proved successful for a number of places. But there&#039;s a very fine line here between participating in a dialog and trying to game the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you were the &#8220;sole dissenting voice&#8221; on the Airtalk segment. I think a lot of people were saying roughly the same thing &#8211; that people who read these sites should take what they read with a grain of salt, that there isn&#8217;t, and shouldn&#8217;t be, a uniform code of ethics for people writing web logs about food.</p>
<p>I posted a comment of my own in the comments section of the Airtalk site you linked to. My long, and maybe somewhat incoherent comment:</p>
<p>Chowhound, Urban Spoon, and Yelp aren&#8217;t web logs at all, nor are the people who post there &#8220;bloggers&#8221;. They are discussion forums. And for the record, Chowhound is a moderated forum which has a pretty strict policy that prevents discussion of issues of food safety or other stuff that might expose them to unnecessary lawsuits.</p>
<p>While there is some market for sites that are sensationalist (or just outright idiotic), I think that long term, people will get their restaurant advice from sites that provide &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; coverage (and not in the Fox News sense). Readers need to determine for themselves what sources they trust, and restaurants need to not freak out over every negative review.</p>
<p>Regarding comped meals, I think that disclosure is certainly a good idea. In actual practice, I think the vast majority of people writing web logs about food rarely or never get free meals.</p>
<p>I personally try to read sites that I feel follow reasonable standards and which don&#8217;t post intentionally inflammatory or sensationalist material, but I don&#8217;t question those sites&#8217; right to post such material (though in several cases, I have *suggested* that a site might consider following better journalistic practices in cases where they&#8217;re posting information about a restaurant without notifying the restaurant ahead of time).</p>
<p>If sites are making libelous statements, there are already legal guidelines which allow the victim to have their day in court. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s realistic (or even feasible) to somehow impose a set of journalistic standards on informal journalism / social media. And, for writers who do this as a hobby, it&#8217;s unreasonable to hold them to the same standards as, say, the NYT. Of course, web logs attached to traditional media publications would be wise to adopt similar (though maybe slightly more relaxed) guidelines as the publications they&#8217;re a part of.</p>
<p>The big difference between these new forms of media and traditional media is that the number of voices is so much greater. If one or two people don&#8217;t like a restaurant, it&#8217;s unlikely that people will stop going there. If the buzz is overwhelmingly negative, however, the restaurant may see some issues with their bottom line. This system isn&#8217;t completely fair, but neither is the old system.</p>
<p>Some restaurants have adapted, and try to use new media to their advantage rather than fight it; this strategy has already proved successful for a number of places. But there&#8217;s a very fine line here between participating in a dialog and trying to game the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://sinosoul.com/2009/07/a-teasing-350-chicken-pho-at-pho-ha-julie-julie-review-friday-blabs/comment-page-1/#comment-2118</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The host on the radio program was a pretentious asshole who knew nothing, which is why he praised that phone book called Zagat.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://infinitefress.blogspot.com/2009/06/ludobites.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LudoBites&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The host on the radio program was a pretentious asshole who knew nothing, which is why he praised that phone book called Zagat.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Steve&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://infinitefress.blogspot.com/2009/06/ludobites.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/infinitefress.blogspot.com/2009/06/ludobites.html?referer=');">LudoBites</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://sinosoul.com/2009/07/a-teasing-350-chicken-pho-at-pho-ha-julie-julie-review-friday-blabs/comment-page-1/#comment-2117</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love you. You just don&#039;t suck. I don&#039;t even need to make my own appeal or defense against people anti-food bloggers. I have been on both sides of the food service coin, earning it and spending it. I write from what I know inhabiting both realms and sure as hades no one is paying me to do so. The end.

PS: wanted to do the All&#039; Angelo dinner, but alas am out of town this time for the DH&#039;s work instead of my own. Someday I will be in LA for weeks on end experiencing the bliss that is repetitiveness &amp; domesticity.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Liz&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://foodshethought.blogspot.com/2009/07/because-my-dog-is-awesome.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Because My Dog is Awesome&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love you. You just don&#8217;t suck. I don&#8217;t even need to make my own appeal or defense against people anti-food bloggers. I have been on both sides of the food service coin, earning it and spending it. I write from what I know inhabiting both realms and sure as hades no one is paying me to do so. The end.</p>
<p>PS: wanted to do the All&#8217; Angelo dinner, but alas am out of town this time for the DH&#8217;s work instead of my own. Someday I will be in LA for weeks on end experiencing the bliss that is repetitiveness &amp; domesticity.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Liz&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://foodshethought.blogspot.com/2009/07/because-my-dog-is-awesome.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/foodshethought.blogspot.com/2009/07/because-my-dog-is-awesome.html?referer=');">Because My Dog is Awesome</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
		<link>http://sinosoul.com/2009/07/a-teasing-350-chicken-pho-at-pho-ha-julie-julie-review-friday-blabs/comment-page-1/#comment-2116</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amen, honey. AMEN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amen, honey. AMEN.</p>
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		<title>By: saucy susy</title>
		<link>http://sinosoul.com/2009/07/a-teasing-350-chicken-pho-at-pho-ha-julie-julie-review-friday-blabs/comment-page-1/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>saucy susy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dang you are so in the know it is mind boggling... yeah dan band was awesome, well dan is awesome. but he kept on wanting to touch his winky. it really was like a mid life crisis in concert... but a very funny show.

totally didnt make it to the oc fair, it was way too hot. you guys gonna be heading out to the oc fair?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;saucy susy&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sassyflashyclassy.com/2009/07/13/cant-beat-free-99/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Can’t Beat Free 99&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dang you are so in the know it is mind boggling&#8230; yeah dan band was awesome, well dan is awesome. but he kept on wanting to touch his winky. it really was like a mid life crisis in concert&#8230; but a very funny show.</p>
<p>totally didnt make it to the oc fair, it was way too hot. you guys gonna be heading out to the oc fair?</p>
<p><abbr><em>saucy susy&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://sassyflashyclassy.com/2009/07/13/cant-beat-free-99/" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/sassyflashyclassy.com/2009/07/13/cant-beat-free-99/?referer=');">Can’t Beat Free 99</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is some cheap ass pho. and i want to see that movie.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;amy&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://pandaliciousforme.blogspot.com/2009/07/porta-via.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Porta Via&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is some cheap ass pho. and i want to see that movie.</p>
<p><abbr><em>amy&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://pandaliciousforme.blogspot.com/2009/07/porta-via.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/pandaliciousforme.blogspot.com/2009/07/porta-via.html?referer=');">Porta Via</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://sinosoul.com/2009/07/a-teasing-350-chicken-pho-at-pho-ha-julie-julie-review-friday-blabs/comment-page-1/#comment-2113</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are so pulling a He Said/She Said on Julie &amp; Julia. Hah!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Diana&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://dianatakesabite.blogspot.com/2009/07/julie-julia-my-life-in-technicolor.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Julie &amp; Julia&quot;: My life in technicolor&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are so pulling a He Said/She Said on Julie &amp; Julia. Hah!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Diana&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://dianatakesabite.blogspot.com/2009/07/julie-julia-my-life-in-technicolor.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/dianatakesabite.blogspot.com/2009/07/julie-julia-my-life-in-technicolor.html?referer=');">&quot;Julie &amp; Julia&quot;: My life in technicolor</a></em></abbr></p>
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